Tuesday, September 30, 2008
Stanley Kurtz on Obama, ACORN, and the CRA
STEVE DOOCY: Meanwhile, let’s talk a little bit about this. Could Barack Obama’s former occupation as a community organizer have had a role in the current financial crisis. Joining us right now from our D.C. Bureau, we’ve got Stanley Kurtz, a Senior Fellow at the Ethics in Public Policy Center. Stanley, let’s talk a little bit about this. We understand that in one of the versions of the bailout bill, apparently the Democrats tried to give an organization called ACORN 20%. All right. What is ACORN? And then we’re going to get into Barack Obama’s connection to it. What does ACORN do?
STANLEY KURTZ: Well, ACORN really is at the root of the problem here. ACORN is a group of community organizers, and they specialize in putting pressure, really kind of intimidation tactics, on banks, to get these banks to make high risk loans to low credit customers, and of course that’s very much the source of this whole problem. And they do things like breaking into the private offices of bank officials. They even show up at the homes of bank officials, to scare them and their families. They send demonstrators into lobbies of banks, all to get banks to make these high risk loans to people with low credit.
GRETCHEN CARLSON: What is Barack Obama’s affiliation with ACORN?
KURTZ: Barack Obama had very close ties to ACORN and in particular to the head of Chicago ACORN. Her name was Madeleine Talbot. Madeleine Talbot was an absolute pioneer of these intimidation tactics against banks, and Barack Obama was selected by Madeleine Talbot when he was just sort of a wet behind the ears organizer, she recognized his abilities, and she asked him to train her personal staff. When he came back to Chicago from law school and Madeleine Talbot was really beginning her campaign against these banks, Barack Obama trained the leadership of organizers in ACORN in Chicago.
DOOCY: So Stanley, you’re talking about how ACORN in the past has pressured banks to illegally make loans to people who cannot afford houses, so in effect you’re saying ACORN is one of the foundation or the cornerstones of the crisis that is we’re in right now?
KURTZ: That’s absolutely right. These loans weren’t illegal. In fact, there was a law that allowed ACORN to put on this pressure, the community reinvestment act enabled ACORN to levy complaints against banks when they wanted to merge or expand if they hadn’t made sufficient loans in minority communities, and so using this law, ACORN was able to pressure banks into making high risk loans.
DOOCY: All right, Stanley Kurtz, senior fellow at the Ethics in Public Policy Center, thank you very much for talking to us a little bit about ACORN.